Geoff Dickson recently wrote on AIM about keeping it simple when understanding the truth, and thus horrors, of Islam. One simple but important aspect of Islam to remember is that of "abrogation" in the Quran. Abrogation means the cancelling or replacement of one Quranic verse by another (where there is a contradiction between the two) and is critical to interpreting the Quran. It also highlights what a fatal mistake it is to assume that all verses in the Quran are somehow applicable today.
This is an oft written about subject and I note that Mumin Salih and Abul Kasem have written extensively on AIM in Islam - Basics about the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Quran. It is fascinating to learn from them the sheer delusion and rejection of logic that Muslims go through to convince themselves that Mohammed's hate manual is actually written by Big Al himself. Circe has also produced two excellent articles on abrogation for AIM in February and April 2008 which go into more detailed analysis than I intend to today.
My intention therefore is to provide a pointer to the materials already on this website and a summary refresher on this simple but significant concept. Importantly, understanding abrogation allows an immediate response to any Muslim's lie that Islam is "peaceful" or an apologist or misguided non-Muslim's assertion that the "peaceful" verses of the Quran justify their appeasement and support of Islam in Australia.
There are various other Muslim tools for dealing with errors and contradictions in the Quran like changing or adapting the meaning of verses, saying "you just don't understand the Arabic meaning" or "it's all open to interpretation" as well as the usual practice of disingenuously explaining away contradictions with flawed logic. Or, like with the "Satanic Verses", you just take out the offending verses and claim that Satan came down in the guise of Gabriel and revealed them to Mohammed as a trick.
We're focusing on abrogation though and the Quran itself evidences its author's appreciation that contradictions abound: Verse 2:106 states:
“Whatever verse (Revelations) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We bring a better one or similar to it.” along with verse 16:101: And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.
Some Muslims claim that these two verses refer to the scriptures of the Jews and Christians being abrogated, not earlier verses of the Quran. Scrutiny of such verses and their context does not make this apparent at all and the Quran refers elsewhere to these scriptures with a different name 'kitab' to the term used in these verses.
Most Muslims though seem quite happy with the concept; the Quran says it is perfect, so it's perfect. If Allah wants to change his mind, he can change his mind! Where a contradiction is so blatantly obvious it must be spoke of, then it was just an improvement to suit the conditions of the time, forgetting that the Quran ought to be perfect and eternal if it's from Allah.
Zakaria Botros is a Coptic priest from Egypt. He is not a particularly popular figure throughout the Islamic world for his sharp critiques of the Quran and other books of Islam.
In any event the Islamic study of abrogation is known as “Nasikh wa Mansukh”, the abrogators and the abrogated, so the concept is hardly controversial (except when you point out to a Muslim that it's proof God didn't write the Quran). The Encyclopedia of Islam states on abrogation: Rather than attempting to explain away the inconsistencies in passages...Kuran scholars and jurists came to acknowledge the differences, while arguing that the latest verse on any subject “abrogated” all earlier verses that contradicted it.
Possibly the most well know example of abrogation is the cancellation of verse 2:256 “there is no compulsion in religion”. We hear this verse a lot from the dhimmitude-willing and it's in the Quran, so do Muslims really force people to Islam? If so, why is this verse in the Quran then and why are we still worried?
Mohammed, along with many other charlatans of the day, initially preached his new religion in Mecca. However, after 13 years he had only 70-80 followers at most and the Meccans, knowing he was a false prophet, tired of him and sent him packing. During this 13 years Mohammed (or his poet mates) wrote the "peaceful" verses and if the Meccans had bought it (or killed Mohammed as some wanted to) well, just imagine the "what if".
However, he and his rabble of followers made their way to Medina, poor and desperate. Within a year of impoverished exile, he'd had enough and took a new approach, he began raiding merchant caravans and stealing the goods, raping and enslaving the women and subjecting the men to slavery or conversion. Allah kindly made provision for Mohammed to keep 20% of the booty too.
To keep his followers sweet, he promised rewards in paradise for obeying him and eternal hellfire (and a quick route to it) for those who didn't cooperate - it was Allah's commands. The raids got bigger and more plentiful; the slaves, women and converted kept snowballing in numbers. As the Pakistani Islamic Scholar and fanatical jihadist Al Maudoody said: “Mohammad became strong enough to move from the stage of weakness to the stage of Jihad”.
Eventually Mohammed became a powerful warlord, his followers an army of brainwashed thugs and criminals helping to carry out his territorial gains and crimes against humanity. With violence and intimidation came power, wealth and sexual gratification, he had none preaching "peaceful" verses, so the Quranic verses took an irreversible and sinister turn. The rest is history, and present and a likely future it seems.
Thus to accommodate the peaceful verses, the Quran cancels them out, as they contradict the will of Mohammed now he had found power through violence and jihad. There is also the simple fact that, a book written over 23-odd years, by multiple authors, might just contain the odd contradiction or two.
The importance of all this is understanding that later verses of the Quran (the violent ones) are all that matter when it comes to jihad and Muslim relations with non-Muslims. It is simple, the Medina verses abrogate the Mecca verses where there is any contradiction. Most Muslim scholars accept that Quran verse 9:5 alone, “the verse of the sword”, abrogates almost all the peaceful verses. Verse 9:5 states:
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the jizya, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
Below are more examples of early Meccan verses written when Mohammed was weak and those written in Medina after he became powerful (thanks to Faith Freedom International for the comparisons):
Meccan Verse: 2:256: There is no compulsion in religion. Medina verse: 9:123: Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.
Meccan Verse: 73:10: Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously. Medina verse: 8:12: I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.
Meccan Verse: 109:6: To you be your religion, and to me my religion. Medina verse: 3:85: Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers.
Meccan Verse: 10:99: If it had been thy Lord’s Will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind against their will to believe! Medina verse: 2:193: Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah.
Meccan Verse: 50:45: We well know what the infidels say: but you are not to compel them. Medina verse: 9:14: Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers.
Meccan Verse: 43:88,89: O Lord, these are people who do not believe,’ Bear with them and wish them ‘peace.’ In the end they shall know their folly. Medina verse: 47:4: When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.
Meccan Verse: 50:45: We know best what they say; and thou art not one to overawe them by force. Medina verse: 8:65: O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.
Meccan Verse: 45:14: Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah. Medina verse: 8:60: Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies. 
For a detailed analysis of abrogated verses I also refer to "Abrogation in the Koran" by Anwarul Haqq published 16 June 2006. There are many more examples of abrogated verses painstakingly set out here.
So we have a lot to worry about and are left in no doubt of the intentions of Islam. At least though, armed with the concept of abrogation, the deceivers, misinformed and ignorant get a good history lesson when I'm told I need "understanding of Islam". This lesson from me is just part of the da'wah of my new religion. It doesn't have a name yet but it teaches peace and the rejection of all Satanic teachings of Mohammed. It's a work in progress but at least I have a mechanism for its perfection when I'm happy with it.


Was the peace ever there, in order to be missing? I think not.
Thanks for this very useful summary of abrogation.
It can further be summarised in your sentence "Thus to accommodate the peaceful verses, the Quran cancels them out, as they contradict the will of Mohammed now he had found power through violence and jihad. "
That's really all we need to know: that today Islam is violent, that Muslims will use taqiya by quoting the reassuring verses of the Quran, knowing they have been abrogated.
We in the West also use abrogation in relation to laws. If a law is changed by Statute, that abrogates previous laws on the topic.
It's actually a simple concept, but sadly many in the West seem to prefer to listen to Muslims' lies that acept logic and reality.
For a bit of light relief, see this site about strange laws in Australia:
http://www.amazingaustralia.com.au/laws.htm
And we certainly need some light relief, because there is no fun in Islam.
Abrogation is one of the greatest examples of the Quran that proves Allah is NOT the creator God.
And just from your examples it is clear and simple.
Peace becomes hatred and violence within a few years, and a change of location to Medina.
Abrogation should be the hot topic at every Interfaith meeting.
If a Muslim truly searches for the meaning of God, you have to ponder the question:
‘The Bible contains over 1400 years of history without the concept of abrogation, yet why in the Quran are hundreds of abrogations necessary in the space of just 23 years?’ It doesn’t compute!
And in that 1400 years of history, God’s message is all about the trials of his chosen people the Jews, from the Exodus to Jerusalem and Solomon’s temple. In Isaiah 62, God declares eternal love for Zion and Jerusalem.
Yet in the Quran, suddenly the Jews are cast aside and the Quraysh tribe of Arabs are suddenly the chosen people, and Arabic the language spoken in Heaven. However, in Genesis 21 God tells Abraham that the promise will come through the seed of Isaac, NOT Ishmael. That doesn’t compute!
Has God done the greatest BACK FLIP ever?
NO. The SIMPLE answer is that Allah is not YHWY, and the name YHWY does not appear even once in the Quran. (another clue)
The Quran has internal errors that PROVE (along with Abrogation) that Allah is NOT the God of creation.
The Quran claims Allah is all knowing, all wise, yet:-
1)In Sura 19:28 Mary is claimed to be the sister of Aaron, yet it was Miriam and they lived 1500 years before Mary the mother of Jesus;
2)In Sura 17:102-103 Allah drowns the Pharaoh yet in Sura 10:90-92 Allah saves Pharaoh from drowning;
3)In Sura 28:9 the wife of Pharaoh finds baby Moses in the Nile river, yet it was Pharaoh’s daughter, not his wife, who found Moses;
4)In Sura 78:6-7 Allah creates mountains to stabilize the Earth, yet it is colliding plates and volcanoes, or instability, that creates mountains;
5)Allah claims in Sura 86:5-7 that reproductive sperm comes from between the ribs and backbone, when it is produced by the testicles.
These are clear mistakes and there are so many examples to PROVE that Allah is NOT God.
( Interesting also is that Allah cannot even save his two most holiest sites, as eschatology claims that both Mecca and Medina will be destroyed. So much for Allah being all powerful).
This of course makes Sura 29:46 the greatest LIE in the Quran by claiming that Jews and Christians worship the same God as Muslims.
Allah is indeed the great deceiver.
Islam is the religion of the LIE.
Islam is the religion of Satan.
Mohammed was Satan’s prophet.
Pure and SIMPLE.
Last night on the panel was our learned scholar and wise political analyst Waleed Aly, as well as opposition deputy Julie Bishop.
One of the Twitter comments on screen called for Waleed Aly to be our next Prime Minister.
On the subject of population, we were told that our Minister for Halal Slaughter and Population, Tony Burke, has set up three committees for policy.
Waleed is on one committee (although he admitted he didn’t know why he was).
Can you imagine a Sustainable Population committee meeting?
Tony Burke: So, Waleed, what sort of people should Australia be bringing in?
Waleed Aly: Well, Tony, we need good God fearing Muslims from countries oppressed by Christian infidels. There are too many pagan infidels already in Australia.
Tony Burke: Good point, Waleed. Have another Halal sandwich.
And when Julie Bishop was calling for more infrastructure and people in country WA, she stated that WA needed some ‘Dubai like developments’.
Tony Jones was quick to ask: “Julie, are you saying we need more Muslims then?”
(laughter from the audience)
See. There can be fun in Islam.
Mohammed had a very flexible mind indeed; or is it Allah whose flexible? In any case, it seems odd Islam is so dogmatic, except when there is need to be more flexible in dogma.
Great work --it is essential to keep reminding people of these facts about islam as most do not know the truth and new people are always joining the site!
No the so-called peaceful ones in Mecca left something to be desired --'you to your religion, me to mine' for Mohammad's benefit and protection when weak in Mecca and under attack; 'No compulsion' actually continues to show Islam is superior and true; verses 43.88-89 --'and they will come to know their folly' was a threat from Mohammad which he made good when he returned with 10,000 soldiers and took Mecca!
I love the satanic verses because they show -
1) Mohammad couldn't tell the difference between Satan/gabriel/allah which begs the question 'is there any difference between satan and allah? ---not that I can see!
2) Mohammad was led astray --how often had this happened before --how much of the koran is actually satanic text?
3) allah was powerless to stop satan misleading Mohammad.
Re : 'haven't read it in Arabic'. I have been through the koran with an Arabic speaker and it's much WORSE in Arabic.
With new readers all the time and an ever growing awareness of Islam in Australia, if even one person learns for the first time from above then it was worth posting again
Absolutely, Dave. The 'learning curve' of islam is steep and the awareness factor can not be taken for granted.
Your summary of abbrogation is timely and vital.
Can anything in the 'western worldview' prepare a newchum for the realities of islamic "thought" and process?
I know, fom personal experience, that a consistent re-stating of the facts about islam bears much fruit. We must not assume too much.


to ensure islam remains the mecca islam in Australia, we must ensure that their numbers are kept to a minimum for all time. if they break Australian laws deport their sorry butts back to whichever hell hole is run by their sect of their cult.
My mantra for all time is, "ISLAM CAN GO TO HELL, DEMOCRACY WILL RULE THE WORLD".
Stick that in ya pipe and smoke it moha ha haumad.

It is the nature of the beast that we deal with. As long as Islam survives, there can be no peace in the world.
War is the only solution. Freedom has always been paid for in blood.

As for population, did you notice how it (qanda) quickly turned into a discussion about "infrastructure"? This is, apparently, our only problem; even Julie Bishop talked in this way. So we will be asked to pay for "more infrastructure" by whatever government gets in, and Muslims will keep marching in whether we like it or not. We have to pay and pay for our country's destruction: all sides agree!
I was waiting for someone (anyone0 to name a figure on immigration.
It has shot up from about 180,000 to 300,000 after Labor was elected in 2007.
Joolya says we need a 'sustainable' population but has NOT changed the immigration figure, which to me, seems she is telling porkies.
And why didn't Julie Bishop at least say we must reduce it back by at least 100,000?
Why does Australia have TWICE the immigration rate of other developed countries?
Combined with that other major deception whereby the koran is put together in no chronological order but rather in length of each sura it's no wonder that the majority of the Western world fall for the Religion of Peace lie.
The entire system has been crafted by Satan to deliberately deceive both entrapped muslims and the infidel from searching for the truth.
Seems like neither major party is going too do anything about the amount we have comming in.Liberals are only stateing they will do something about those comming by boat and the back door.The email I sent them about total immigrations figures and the percentage of muslims within that total, they did the usual and side stepped. So no matter which major we vote for.WE will still be haveing the large amount comming in.So at that rate we will become an Islamic nation even faster..
Oh what fun to leave the the kids and any grandkids..
cheers
You say in reply to Andrew, "as all the operable and valid teachings in the Quran involve hate, gratuitous violence and jihad, it's fair to say that Allah/Satan does not need to abrogate anything else."
This is undoubedly true. Of course, if there was a will among Western democracies, they could insist that Islam could only operate in their countries if they exise all violent passages in the quran and hadith on the grounds that they contravened the law of the land.
This would not be an unreasonable request, as when you come to a country, you are required to abide by the law. This is so, even if you are unaware what the law is - ignorance of the law is no excuse.
In other words, it could be made compulsory to de-abrogate the peaceful verses and abrogate the violent ones. Otherwise, Islam would be outlawed - which come to think of it, is not a bad idea!












































